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Post by knasrijam on Nov 13, 2006 13:30:36 GMT 7
Try to negiotiate with them regarding the name. I really don't want single name Aurora in our guild name. Also, I don't want our guild name to have those signs or numbers because it make our guild name look very messy and not to my liking.
Example, names that contain something like these: l (name) l Oo (name) oO Xx (name) xX -= (name) =- Zz (name) zZ (name) + number signs in any character placement
With those signs, it will give a signal to other maplers that we are just one common guild even though our level is high. I already dislike much about having the name "Aurora" and by putting signs/numbers on them, it'll look more worser and make me dislike more. It doesn't fit well with some of our names too. (Especially mine)
Also that's also the reason why I put 'DarkSurferio' instead of 'Surferio' or Surferio with weird signs or numbers when I first created the guild 10 months ago. And also because we can pronounce the guild name in our mind. If we have those number/sign in our guild name, when we try to pronounce it in our mind.. it sounds like, "I have a guild. I belong to the O.. o.. Surferio.. o.. O guild." Doesn't sounds nice in our minds right?
If we have no symbols and double names like DarkSurferio (eg), it will sound, "I have a guild. I belong to The Dark Surferio Guild." Which one do you prefer?
I've seen countless of guild with 'Signs/numbers' on them and if we have names like them, definately me and maybe some others will lose motivation playing Maple after seeing our guild name everyday with 'those' in it because it's kinda unoriginal in the Mapleworld. I will also feel more depress because I once had a guild DarkSurferio, then suddenly change guild with a name that I dislike and have to stay in that guild.. sigh.
I don't mind names that include dark-types/fantasy-types words in combination with Aurora in our guild name. Names like the one posted earlier or even 'ShadowAurora, AuroraShadow' Cheehuat suggested as one of the options in msn.
I really hope that we can have our own name and if we really cannot, then I will start having thoughts of not moving guild.
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Post by ragnarox on Nov 13, 2006 14:37:27 GMT 7
So, Knas will be refusing to move unless the other side allows you all to have the name you want?
How are the negotiations going?
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Post by kcirtap on Nov 13, 2006 22:08:39 GMT 7
I will choose not to vote as I am still new here so I am yet to have a strong sense of belonging yet. As such, I will follow whatever is the outcome of the majority in the end.
I don't favour names with signs and numbers.
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Post by knasrijam on Nov 13, 2006 23:02:07 GMT 7
moster82.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=1163319934I tried to find if there's any screenshot of Aurora's guild emblem in my folders but there was none at first. Then, I finally found the ss of one of Aur0ra jr.masters I think.. which have the aurora guild emblem from one of Cheehuat's scrolling ss in showroom. Here it is, the picture of the emblem. It's a fire with a black background. I minimised the picture into square to make it more neater in the post. I post it here instead of the poll area because the poll area is for the member's vote. The emblem looks quite nice in my opinion, red fire with black background. Actually, I realised quite alot of things after trying to search for a photo of Aurora's emblem ss. I did a survey. I found out different people opinions on their preference of emblem. (Non-guild members and non-players of msea not to be name.) I tried asking some of my Maple and non-maple friends which are not from this guild via msn which emblem looks nicer in their opinion. I told them to give their full honest replies. I didn't tell them about our current situation or anything about this debate because I want to know their real true opinions. To my surprise, everyone in my msn that I asked the question to replied that they prefer our current DarkSurferio emblem more than the Aurora's one. About two of them said both look nice. My question survery was: "Which guild emblem is more to your liking and catch your eye? Why do you said so?" I get replies like our guild emblem shape much more nicer than Aurora's emblem due to the shape and colour combination. I asked them why and 2-3 of them told me that the Aurora's emblem is very common in msea because of the fire which alot of guild have. They told me they've seen a number of guild with fire symbol but come in different colours. I was also told that our guild emblem shape is kinda unique as not many guild choose this pattern and told me which make our guild stand out to the rest. Also, replies like the fire emblem look so plain under their reason for choosing our DS emblem. I even get out-of-question answer like alot of guild having the name aurora in them already instead of answering the question which I asked. Honestly, I was alittle shocked on his reply as well and kinda twist my thoughts here and there. Which I find kinda true. It's because just today, I heard from Hao in the morning that he saw a guild called, "AuroraRealm". I thought Aurora only have 1 sub besides their main, Aurora and Aur0ra? Which means, other guilds not related to aurora main guild is using Aurora name as well? If this is true, and we use Aurora in our guild name.. doesn't it make us look abit unoriginal and doesn't seem to make our guild stand out much because different guilds have 'Aurora' name in it. Think about it.. What if in the future, other guilds make Aurora name (even if unintentionally) in their guild name as well. The more guild with Aurora name in maple, it may not and maybe never make us stand out in mapleworld even as a sub. People will mix up our identities with other non-related aurora guilds. img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/knasrijam89/msg1.gifimg.photobucket.com/albums/v627/knasrijam89/msg2.gifimg.photobucket.com/albums/v627/knasrijam89/msg3.gifimg.photobucket.com/albums/v627/knasrijam89/msg4.gif[Above here is one of the conversation. Sorry, I couldn't take all the conversation ss as I don't have the time to take screenshots of every msn chats.] I never seen anyone with the word "Surferio" in our guild name before. Don't you think that this make us more special than other guilds? Before I found the screenshot of the emblem to show rock, I spent an hour looking through 3000 ss in maple in my maple archive folder. After seeing those photos inevitably, it reminded me too much of our DarkSurferio guild memories. We have such nice memories of being in game. I've also watched the video Rockman made long time ago. I don't know what's going on with me. I just felt like watching it again. www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD3uBwRrX7MI suddenly felt alot of nostalgic memories in this video as well. It made me think alot.. then I start talking to myself in my mind, "Does this guild really deserve to be disband? After being through alot of experiences and been through a very long path, will DarkSurferio name will suddenly become non-existant and perish from the maple world suddenly forever?" I even try to think further. The moving of guild. Which will get more advantage and disadvantage? It's true both guild gets advantage but what does the Aurora guild actually want? It's because if we move into their guild in the future.. their guild name (include sub) will increase in man-power alot more because there's quite a number of 3rd job people in our guild entering their guild name. And we our DS name will be perished to increase their total power. Try to think of more complicated stuffs.. which guild will be at more disadvantage in our moving guild? The Aurora guild won't be at any disadvantage because they will lose nothing. Instead, they will be much happier because their total guild (+sub) strength has increased because of our guild turning into their sub. But what about our part? We lose quite alot. We lose our kingdom's name. It's the same as ending the kingdom and some of us might not like the new guild's name and emblem. For example right now, there's a possibility we will not be able to choose our new name if we become a sub of Aurora. There's still more to think about this. There's still time for us. I'm also not sure if I want or don't want this moving of guild. I've said my 2nd opinion regarding the moving of guild. I will post more after investigating more stuffs about these and see if I really want this. I'm 50/50 now. And no matter what the result will be, I will go along with the crowd's decision. Sorry for the long post guys, I have a habit of 'thinking out of the box' whenever situation like this occurs. Which also leds me of writing long posts. It's one of my personal traits of thinking way too much and think far beyond a person's imagination. The minds can really be a powerful thing.. >.<
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Post by Jay on Nov 13, 2006 23:30:11 GMT 7
well it's up to u all... of course it's better if u all r joining me
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Post by knasrijam on Nov 14, 2006 6:54:29 GMT 7
Cheehuat, have you negotiate about the name yet?
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Post by ragnarox on Nov 14, 2006 7:37:39 GMT 7
well it's up to u all... of course it's better if u all r joining me Better? This sounds rather vague. Could u list the benefits to let us to be in the know?
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Post by knasrijam on Nov 14, 2006 8:04:59 GMT 7
Eh, who changed our guild notice into a vulgar word? >.< I know it's not FlameZmage or moster82 because I demoted them quite long time ago and they have no power to change the guild notice. Only guild master and jr master can change the guild notice.. Luckly I checked in the morning when members haven't online yet as it may not be nice for our guild members who are in guild playing/training suddenly seeing our guild main notice got a vulgar word there. >.< Also, there are still young ones in the guild.. and I don't want to give the impression to the newcomers that the new guild is kinda vulgar because the newcomers might not like the guild. I don't want them to lose trust in our current guild. Nvm. Just don't change the guild notice to other things because some members still don't know about the debate yet so I want to inform the members regarding it via guild notice incase they come online. Thanks.
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Post by xdarkshane on Nov 14, 2006 13:25:26 GMT 7
erm..may i ask a question.. if your disbanding guild... can i join the new one? I promise i will be active >.<
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Post by knasrijam on Nov 14, 2006 14:09:06 GMT 7
erm..may i ask a question.. if your disbanding guild... can i join the new one? I promise i will be active >.< I wish I can recruit you but they're only allow lv70 and above. It was actually supposed to be lv80 above but was made lv70. There's a small probability that you are able to join the guild provided you'll be super active and level up fast each day. Also, we will try to negotiate with the main/sub of Aurora whether to let you in. You have to level up fast..
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Post by High on Nov 14, 2006 16:30:07 GMT 7
Hm.. Yeah, the name lAuroral dosent too good, try to negotiate with them if we can pick our own name.
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Post by Jay on Nov 14, 2006 19:10:18 GMT 7
The name..i'll tell them later but it;s better if u tell them urself, knas cos my english sux i dun have a strong vocab to support..LOL
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Post by ragnarox on Nov 15, 2006 7:46:56 GMT 7
Knas, would you like take Jay's place for negotiating the Guild's name?
[Some of you may ignore the importance of the name. But a name is the proof of existance.]
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Post by knasrijam on Nov 15, 2006 13:24:41 GMT 7
Yup, a guild name is a proof of existence.
Hm.. I don't know them very well and I only met a jr of Aurora guild only once. Maybe we do it together? It's because you know them more than I do.. lol.
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Post by High on Nov 15, 2006 13:29:55 GMT 7
Eh, i wanna help also
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